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You could use religion. And your book focuses on three major caste systems in human history— ancient Indian one, thousands of years, Nazi Germany, which was a very short time, and America’s caste system. And it was fascinating to watch, compared to the Confederate monuments debate. If you’re listening on The Times website and want to get each new episode of Sway in your podcast hierarchy, download a podcast app Like Stitcher or Google Podcasts. This happened in Indiana. Well, I feel as if this is the country’s karmic moment of truth. I love myself. [MUSIC - THEME, “SWAY”] (SINGING) When you walk in the room, do you have sway? And they did not want people going there, acolytes of Hitler’s. Played softball with her good friend Maggie Haberman. Similar to Kamala Harris & Joes Biden's dismissive attitude to those who don't agree with them. Ever since tech journalist Kara Swisher announced in April that she was moving to the New York Times, ... how to hold the powerful to account and shed light on those voices who are powerful in fresh and new ways,” said Swisher. And we know that, had people who looked like those janitors in that crew that we saw working late into the night, if they had deigned to burst into the Capitol like that, we know what would have come of that. And she was reduced to having to go on to record herself. And so he lost out on the opportunity to get in the story, to be in The New York Times. Looking at what happened at the Capitol, do you have an answer now? In a multiday social media maelstrom, a leaked cover photo that Anna Wintour originally described as “joyful,” “casual” and “accessible” was deemed “disrespectful” by Twitter. If you like this interview and want to hear others, hit Subscribe. Facebook and Twitter have kicked Donald Trump off their platforms and Amazon Web Services removed Parler from its cloud. More with Isabel Wilkerson after the break. There was a heartbreaking case over the holidays in which a Black woman, who was a physician, who had COVID was in the hospital. Well, I left it unanswered because in the work that I do, which is narrative nonfiction, my job is to show— show the history, show what has happened. Well, I mean, I don’t know how anyone can say that after Jan. 6. Haberman’s attempt to equate Trump’s democracy destroying lies about voting results with “rough politics” falls flat. kara swisher. Inside the Billion-Dollar War Against Right-Wing Conspiracists. It’s just the most mundane feature of an urban landscape that you could ever imagine. But it is ours. That’s one of the things that I retain from my years at The Times, is I never talk about what I’m working on. In every way, they were being held the lowest rung of the American hierarchy. And it’s employment. You prefer to talk about casteism. It fell to them in order to do that. And when Dr. King heard those words, he bristled at first hearing it, because he didn’t perceive himself that way. On this episode of “Sway,” she explains how she saw an invisible ranking system play out in the raid at the U.S. Capitol, and argues that rushing to move on would be a mistake.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. There was a sense of rushing to move on and move beyond what had happened without truly addressing the deep, deep wounds and the tragic exploitation of an entire group of people for 246 years, nor was there an incorporation of the true history into our curriculum. Power, unpacked. It didn’t matter what his diction was. I literally don’t know how anyone can say that. Food Delivery Is Keeping Uber Alive. Listen and subscribe. At the inauguration on Wednesday, Kamala Harris became vice president — the nation’s first Black person, the first Asian person and the first woman to do so — and President Biden spoke of “a cry for racial justice some 400 years in the making,” adding that “the dream of justice for all will be deferred no longer.”But according to Isabel Wilkerson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and historian, change may not come so easily. That was fine, no trouble. And we can see it resurrected before our very eyes because this has not been addressed. And we are here alive to see it playing out before our eyes. And what’s interesting about it is, I have a lot of Southern relatives, and they keep saying, Kara, well, it’s history. And it took all that I could do just to present the report. It’s not something that people would generally think about. He didn’t see how it was that the people there who were then known as untouchables could see him as one of them. It may have looked like a long ago battle over justice, waged and presumably won back in another era. We would never expect that there would be a single pill for a cancer diagnosis. He and his wife, Coretta Scott King, went to India. She holds powerful people down and gets them to answer her questions, which so few journalists do. And what’s interesting is, that was their classification system. All right, thank you. And then and only then can you begin to even think about crafting a plan for moving forward. Kara's bias is so on her shirt sleeve its laughable. And it’s the same thing here. This is a phenomena. nytimes.com — By Kara Swisher Listen and subscribe to “Sway”: Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher (How To Listen) At the inauguration on Wednesday, Kamala Harris became vice president — the nation’s first Black person, the first Asian person and the first woman to do so — and President Biden spoke of “a cry for racial justice some 400 years in the making,” adding … Right now we can see it. And in our country, the metric that the early colonists used to divide and to rank people to determine who would be a slave or free, just to start with, the metric that was used was what we look like. And she was not given the pain medications that she required. Explain what you think would have happened. Anyway, your book is wonderful. And then of course, he had to think about it. (If you missed that episode — scroll back and hit play! And he made this realization at that time. But it had been all day —, — and I was out of business cards. So subscribe to this one. A mob of pro-Trump extremists clashed with Capitol Police. That is a massive reminder of how slavery lasted, which is, again, the foundation of the inequities that we live with to this day, the upside-down power structure of the country that was established in the time of slavery. Show Sway, Ep This Astrologer Has Some Things to Tell Kara Swisher - 27 Dec 2020 Astrology has been around for thousands of years, so why are “Mercury in retrograde” memes and horoscopes still so popular in 2020? And I was just stunned to discover that, in the years leading up to the war, that German eugenicists were actually turning to and consulting with American eugenicists to build upon their brewing sense of Aryan superiority. It was determined on the basis solely of what he looked like, what that signifier and cue said to the security guard as to where he belonged. Kara Anne Swisher is an American journalist. Then search for Sway and hit subscribe. What does a New York Times national correspondent look like? Why does that not happen here, from your perspective? And that’s how race was created and how underneath that is the infrastructure. But obviously, we have the appointment. But we can also see how fragile all of that is and how it doesn’t take much to resurrect those longstanding unaddressed wounds that are still with us. They made things illegal, using the ability to do the Heil, for example, all kinds of things. And so what that meant is that the people who knew what a caste system— who knew best what a caste system is instantly recognized caste when they saw it. It’s produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong, and Vishakha Darbha, edited by Paula Szuchman, with original music by Isaac Jones, mixing by Erick Gomez, and fact-checking by Kate Sinclair. You are forced to have to think about, what is it that just happened. This is an indication of the — what I describe, when it comes to caste, caste is essentially this graded ranking of human value. All right, thank you. They learn the history and they know why it’s there. Let’s talk a little bit about how you demolish the idea of caste. It’s kind of a conversation that I think scholars have primarily been having with one another. As we’re moving into the next year, and now we have a Black female vice President with Kamala Harris, some people used to say that America, we’re post-racial and doesn’t have a caste system. Historically, a society needs to get certain things done in order for the society to work. This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will release its 2021 film slate in theaters and on its streaming site, HBO Max, simultaneously. Thank you for the interview. Will It Kill Restaurants? Swisher is a tough and sharp interviewer—usually. I had my pen. You’re using brain power that could be put toward much better things, toward the writing of the work that you’re doing or whatever it is that your job is. I mean, there are reminders everywhere, as they should be. Dominion Voting Systems has filed a $1.3 Billion defamation suit against former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell. And so they either hid it or you cannot find it or you can’t figure out where it is. And so I have two numbers, two years that I want to speak about. Kara Swisher has been called the most feared and well-liked journalist in Silicon Valley. Its structure. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. I’ll tell you right now. But once it’s over, is there a topic you really want to delve into? Can you talk a little bit about how it’s affected you? [MUSIC PLAYING] - (SINGING) When you walk in the room, do you have sway? And beyond that, they also do things like leave bullet holes in certain buildings, which I think is important, you talked about in your book. You go to Berlin, as you know so well, right in the middle of a major world city is this massive, massive installation, the memorial to those who perished in the Holocaust. We’re well past into the time we were supposed to be interviewing. 'Sway' podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump More On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the bans of President Donald Trump's social media accounts. And I think that that moment has forced us into a karmic reckoning that is long overdue. kara swisher. We are living this right now. The person I was supposed to interview was not there yet. They had a whole issue around Hitler’s bunker, which was near there. And it took what would be neutral characteristics otherwise, neutral characteristics that would just be part of the range of human manifestation, and turn that into a new designation, a new way of ranking and categorizing people known as race. And we had a brief time known as Reconstruction, in which there was an attempt at helping to bring some equity to those who had been held in a fixed place again under enslavement for 246 years. If you cannot act your way out of it, it’s caste. It’s economic. What’s the difference? So now, caste is a term that American scholars have been using for years to describe how power operates in America. 1-on-1 with 'Sway' Podcast host Kara Swisher. Thanks for listening. And so he went to visit that school. This is Sway. Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio. It was mostly Black and brown people cleaning up the mess. OK, let’s check back a little bit and talk about the term caste. And they were at the very bottom. And I had made a call with several people in order to interview them for a story that was a pretty standard story and had no trouble all day with all the people I’d interviewed, until I got to the last interview. It’s shocking —. And that is why knowing the history is a huge part of it. [LAUGHTER] I take the position of someone who is deeply steeped in the history that I have studied. And that meant that, here you have someone who is the best-dressed, sophisticated person in the world, and it didn’t matter how he was presenting himself. Anna Wintour on the Kamala Harris Vogue Cover. And we know that after that, she passed away. I appreciated hearing Parler's point of view. The randomness is quite —, Yeah, it’s the arbitrary nature of it. And if you multiply this times, you know, tens of thousands of times a day, when some assumptions about another individual impedes the ability for something to happen in our society, impedes a transaction, impedes an interview, impedes something that really truly needs to happen and it doesn’t happen, how do you even begin to measure the cost, not just to the individual who is suffering, but also to the entire society, all the things that don’t get done, all the missed opportunities because of these assumptions and stereotypes that are all an inheritance of the original caste system that predated our country. I’m not saying you did. I mean, that’s what is so powerful and so enlightening, actually, about the universality of the human will to categorize and apportion power and to determine who can have power on the basis of these arbitrary characteristics that should have no meaning, except that which is accorded meaning. So this has continued to the current day. And they were received as visiting dignitaries. There’s no way to celebrate, as opposed to the Confederate monuments, which is, of course, where a lot of those protests went on several years ago. That is such a great point you make. So I had to write the piece without him. I was all ready to interview him. We should have been interviewing right now instead of standing here. And I said, well, put it in a museum then. I heard from people wherever in the country they might have been, different backgrounds, I had no idea. But what it does is it determines one’s standing, respect, benefit of the doubt, access to resources, assumptions of competence and intelligence and worthiness, and then also whether the authorities will protect you or attack you. But Donald Trump and his supporters still have an effectively unregulated safe space: Parler. And so we’ve seen so many cases. But the issue is that these wounds are 400 years in the making. The majority of them were not being permitted to use public accommodations. 'Sway' podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump January 10, 2021, 4:08 AM On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the … I would never, ever give predictions. And when the principal introduced him, the principal said to the students, he said, young people, I would like to present to you a fellow untouchable from the United States of America. And the issue of class, you could say there are three out of many ways that a society can decide the different aspects of identity. They could not even be, some of them, within 96 paces of a dominant caste person. It’s produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong, and Vishakha Darbha, edited by Paula Szuchman, with original music by Isaac Jones, mixing by Erick Gomez, and fact-checking by Kate Sinclair. Well, I’d like to say that I prefer to use the term subordinated. One of the things that really — part of your book that’s gotten a lot of attention is when you’re having coffee with your friend, historian Taylor Branch. We want people to know the history. So the idea of the hierarchy that was created in our country— and remember, it was created. And what they’ve done is they’ve paved over it. He says, “Do I feel guilty about it? Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, Hunter Harris and Anne Helen Petersen have all left their legacy media publications to start their own Substack newsletters. And then moments later, a man comes in rushing. Sway The New York Times Here’s someone who had every single, one would presume, advantage and understanding of the medical system, of the treatment, of how she should have been treated, of the standards and the medications. Well, as you said, they actually sent people to study the United States, to study what Americans had done to separate and to identify who would be and what race. Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio. So you could use ethnicity. I’m Kara Swisher and you’re listening to Sway. We’ve had a civil rights movement that was absolutely necessary. What was the most important of these U.S. segregation efforts that moved there from your perspective? Americans are familiar with race and the concept of systemic racism. I don’t. Uber’s chief executive, Dara Khosrowshahi, is charging toward a world in which food is delivered through apps like Uber Eats and “a driver may be human or may be software.” On the way, he acknowledges, “the human consequences can be painful.” Uber is not profitable yet, but its deep pockets and vast infrastructure give it power over independent restaurants and individual drivers. I did not fit the, quote, unquote, “role” that he had in his mind. Food Delivery Is Keeping Uber Alive. It is unmissable. Power, unpacked. But then also, no adult alive today will be alive at the point at which African-Americans will have been free for as long as they were enslaved. And I see echoes of what I have studied in the past. And the response in Congress by the Republicans — let’s move on. Well, you know what? At the time you didn’t have an answer. And I said, now it’s well past the time. I think one reason it hasn’t caught on is because it has generally remained in the purview of the academy. This is a reminder that history is still with us. And he said, well, how do I know that? — that in the current day anyone would believe that. But they resolved not to allow that to continue there, not keeping the history, because you need to keep the history. It’s there for anyone to see. Power, unpacked. I have —. It’s political. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. It throws you off your course. It was an astonishing stew of hatred, arrogance, and stupidity. Special thanks this episode to Liriel Higa and Kathy Tu. I’m Kara Swisher and I’m recording on Wednesday evening in the middle of a coup attempt in our nation’s Capitol. It was mostly white people who did this. Every Monday and Thursday, from Ne… They paid reparations for the Holocaust, the Germans did. Ever — well, keep that policy then. As of right now, Washington is on … I lived in Germany for a long time. We have seen, in so many of the peaceful protests for basic human rights, protesting against police brutality, we have seen tanks rolled out, for example, after Ferguson. And so it was through that experience that we can see the connection made by the people who knew caste best. And I pulled out my driver’s license anyway so that he could see it, just to be able to move on so I could get the interview done. It’s necessary to know the history. Well obviously, we know that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was an adherent to the nonviolent protest philosophy of Mohandas K. Gandhi. There’s often, in creating a caste system, there is usually some perceived law of nature or some sense of scriptural divine will that determines that these people were born to be on top and these other people were born to be on the bottom. New episodes drop every Monday and Thursday. Everyone had to buy into this belief system that the people were worthy, that the people deserved nothing more than that. New York Times Contributing Opinion Writer and "Sway" podcast host Kara Swisher says social media companies get engagement through enragement. I wanted to know what Wilkerson saw. Still a caste system invisibly underneath, just with their classifications. But do you see signs of it, as the building inspector of the house of America, which is pretty creaky right now, do you see signs that there is an ability to push back this system? (If you missed that episode — scroll back and hit play! They were also looking at antimiscegenation laws, the laws that prevented people from marrying across race. It’s everything. And most people don’t know because we don’t learn this in school. Kara Swisher, host of Pivot and Sway podcasts, co-founder of Recode: "When I have someone try to shut me down by insulting me or calling me bossy or outspoken, that's when I go full in." Kara Swisher Verified Columnist, Editor at Large and Podcast Host, Host — Pivot , Sway , The New York Times But I’d like to say the conversation has been going toward the idea of moving quickly toward healing, which is the same thing that happened after the Civil War and Reconstruction. Well, there’s a difference between remembering something and celebrating something. And so I say that, if you can act your way out of it, it’s class. 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